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Post by Sarpek on Jun 26, 2007 19:10:44 GMT -5
Well, if you like that, *chomp*
You're all stringy. You should eat more.
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Post by Trehkan on Jun 30, 2007 3:58:13 GMT -5
Well, hi everyone. I'm Trehkan, intrepid fireman (some of the time) and mangled corpse (most of the time). Watch for me wherever zombies are attacking. I was there at Blesley Mall when the Mall Tour attacked it and made some skirmishes into the area after the Mall fell. Currently I'm holed up in St. Ethelbert's Hospital in Roftwood, fending off a small siege. We have rumors that a larger zombie group will be sweeping through the suburb. Anyone who enjoys killing zombies is welcome.
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Post by Animatronic Daemon Skwerral on Jun 30, 2007 4:32:40 GMT -5
greets! a few of us are in roftwood also. The rumors are most likely true. LUE took Nichols and thats just a stone throws away. I hear the plan is to most likely evac the malls into neighboring houses then when the horde moves on to the next place we clean up the mess.
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Post by Sarpek on Jun 30, 2007 9:00:23 GMT -5
*chomp* Welcome!
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Post by Trehkan on Jun 30, 2007 9:11:53 GMT -5
Most people in Ethelbert's don't seem to like that plan. I've heard rumblings that we should stand our ground when they come for Hildebrand Mall and stop with that "river tactics lark" (exact quote). Frankly, I like the idea of standing our ground. It's much more, how to say it, heroic.
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Post by Animatronic Daemon Skwerral on Jun 30, 2007 11:22:06 GMT -5
Nope, sorry, you'll just die.
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Post by Trehkan on Jun 30, 2007 11:31:49 GMT -5
Heroically. Besides, aren't you a pker? Shouldn't you support foolhardy decisions like this that make more people die?
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Post by Animatronic Daemon Skwerral on Jun 30, 2007 12:06:01 GMT -5
yes and no. I've been devoting alot of time to PK'ing because good battles have been lacking. However I'm going to shape up a bit now and start being more productive with at least one character.
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Post by Specialist290 on Jun 30, 2007 13:04:56 GMT -5
Welcome to the forums, Trehkan  Personally, I'm not really either a "River" or a "non-River" guy; the tactic does have times when it's appropriate and times when it isn't. There is no single tactic that works perfectly in every situation--you just have to adapt your tactics to suit your opponent. |
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Post by Trehkan on Jun 30, 2007 13:23:11 GMT -5
I guess it's true. I'm a bit wary of people suggesting river tactics against a zombie attack, because it often shows their cowardice. I've seen some cases where the immediate reaction to the approach of a horde was "Let's evacuate and come back when they are gone" from the majority of people in the area that was to be under siege. No resistance, no fighting spirit, just "let's scatter and maybe come back later". And that annoys me.
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Post by Animatronic Daemon Skwerral on Jun 30, 2007 13:42:46 GMT -5
well yeah against certain hordes. However LUE is a 375 strong bullet sponge army with an average level of 4, its not worth pooring all that AP and ammo in them. Its also coming from experience. Its not effective to try and make a stand at every given moment. Theres a fine line between courage and efficient. Germany and Japan's suicide tactics at the end of WWII were courageous but that didnt mean they were effective. Maybe if we can get about 70% of humans to meet at a certain place and coordinate from there but we're flat footed at the moment and its best to starve them out.
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Post by Trehkan on Jun 30, 2007 13:55:38 GMT -5
Caiger stood, didn't it? Okay, that's a horribly overused phrase and I wasn't even there, but the sentiment stands. Well-coordinated defenders can repel a large attacking horde from a mall. And Hildebrand has the same advantage Caiger had: it has an adjacent NT building. It even has an adjacent hospital, which can be used as a healing/resting place not directly under siege. So if any mall can be defended, it's Hildebrand. And if people would stop being cowards, they could do it.
And while making a stand for as long as we can may not be always effective, it sure is memorable.
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Post by Animatronic Daemon Skwerral on Jun 30, 2007 14:05:44 GMT -5
Different times and different style of tactics. I'd like to defend Hildebrand but i know its something that will not happen this time around. Not enough coordination, not enough people in the immediate area, and caiger did fall to a horde like this, which goes to show the vast difference between the game then and now.
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Post by Trehkan on Jun 30, 2007 14:12:36 GMT -5
The change is mostly the attitudes of the survivors though.
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Post by Specialist290 on Jun 30, 2007 14:18:35 GMT -5
Pretty much what fang said. To defend against a horde like Shacknews or (now) LUE, you would need a massive--and I mean massive--force of survivors coordinating the defense. You would also need some sort of prescient foreknowledge of where they are going to hit, which is very difficult to get without them announcing it publicly like 3 or 4 days beforehand.
Against a conventional zombie horde such as the RRF, I would agree w/ you--and, in fact, as you've pointed out it has been done. However, LUE is basically one large strike team. The advantage we have over them is that hordes that follow the "Shacknews" pattern generally have a specific list of targets, and that if you can figure out what those targets are and avoid them you're generally safe (or at least as safe as you can be in Malton). What I would suggest isn't so much "River Tactics" as it is a form of guerilla warfare.
I will agree that I would like to see a lot more fortitude from Malton's "sheep" population, however.
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