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Post by Specialist290 on Mar 26, 2007 17:43:45 GMT -5
But if the police are all busy containing the outbreak (or getting killed in it), who's going to know regardless of what the limit is?
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Post by blue tigers on Mar 27, 2007 9:43:42 GMT -5
I've had some irate discussions about folks who consider rap music unsophisticated. You look at even the messiest of modern rap, something produced by the beasty boys or Dr. Dre, and you can find quite easily that all the rules they followed in the 18-19th century (Which, for some reason, produced all the "smart" music) are still there. In fact, outcast's most recent album is more traditional than a maverick like Haydn. Rap's lyrics may not convey a lot...I've even shown up my music teacher on this...you have to ask yourself, what's the meaning behind Beethoven's 5th symphony, or Motzart's many, many piano concertos...music doesn't have to convey meaning... And all the architectural rules (walls, door, roof) of a modern bidonville shack: www.lavoixdunord.fr/site/albums/bidonville/pop2.shtmlare the same as the ones employed in the 18-19th century architecture: www.khm.at/homeE107.htmlSophistication does not come with the rules, it comes with what you do with the rules. Another example. Mathematics is a big tautology reducible to five set theory axioms plus modus ponens, but there is some difference in sophistication between accountant's arithmetics and differential equations. Probably there are math domains order of magnitudes more sophisticated than differential equations, but I am not a sophisticated mathematician.
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Post by Padre Romero on Mar 27, 2007 11:42:25 GMT -5
Now THAT I like!
Musically speaking, I'm a minimalist, which means I like about 1/4 of all rap music, the rest is ornate garbage...
I will now attempt to turn this thread into a discussion on asthetics and make Hec throw up
(I'm an Art history major this month!)
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Post by Lachryma on Mar 27, 2007 18:03:05 GMT -5
Aesthetics...I like French painters. Some of their water effects are simply amazing...
And mmm, the sunlight in this one painting....
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Post by Artaxerxes/SweetIrony on Mar 27, 2007 20:47:15 GMT -5
(I'm an Art history major this month!) Oh yeah, and what exactly have you learned about my history?
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Post by Hec Scrivener on Mar 27, 2007 23:26:31 GMT -5
Myself, I find my surroundings more aesthetically pleasing sans vomit, so I'll just warn you all to keep your aesthetics the hell away from my philosophy.
...Art History, eh? You would choose the one major that could possibly make mine look practical.
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Post by Artaxerxes/SweetIrony on Mar 28, 2007 1:12:45 GMT -5
Hurray for impractical majors!
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Post by Padre Romero on Mar 28, 2007 7:51:42 GMT -5
Myself, I find my surroundings more aesthetically pleasing sans vomit, so I'll just warn you all to keep your aesthetics the hell away from my philosophy. ...Art History, eh? You would choose the one major that could possibly make mine look practical. Don't worry hector, like all my majors, I won't have it for more than a month... and if you recall, I'm getting a DOUBLE major in something fruity and ivory-tower-liberalesque...lets say, I dunno, Art History or Film, and something that will allow me to produce barrels of cash very quickly, perhaps advertising or Gigilonomics...
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Post by blue tigers on Mar 28, 2007 10:07:26 GMT -5
Musically speaking, I'm a minimalist, which means I like about 1/4 of all rap music, the rest is ornate garbage... As your taste gets more, eh, sophisticated, you'll wake up some day and discover that raw minimalism is rather boring. This happens as you ripe into older ages. The miracle of (some) 18/19 century music is that is accessible at a young age and still not boring at a more mature age. The other miracle is that it achieves this without falling into the roccoco trap. In other words, it is quite minimalist, but at a different, ahem, sophistication level. And rap is crap to begin with, because it lives off dirt. In the long run, the dirt essence prevails. Sorry.
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Post by Padre Romero on Mar 28, 2007 11:45:50 GMT -5
And rap is crap to begin with, because it lives off dirt. In the long run, the dirt essence prevails. Sorry. Wow, it's rare that I get to quote my own writings so perfectly: To quote Padre's less then sane friend: "Paint comes from piss, violin strings come from cat guts, glass comes from sand, and flowers come from dirt, the great thing about [art] is the change" The source isn't important, nor is the message, beauty is a thing in and of itself. No one wonders about the moral character of michelangelo or the (possibly) pruient inspiration for the sudden appearance of naked (*gasp* Naked!) aphrodite figures in ancient greece...they're pretty now, and that's what matters. Similarly, the fact that "Mighty O" might be an ego work about how awsome outcast is doesn't change the fact that the call and response system used in the song is AWSOME. I like minimalism because it's easier to listen to...my favorite works of music are the Musettes...or maybe "Baba Yetu", thanks to Hec.
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Post by blue tigers on Mar 28, 2007 22:28:10 GMT -5
"Paint comes from piss, violin strings come from cat guts, glass comes from sand, and flowers come from dirt, the great thing about [art] is the change" Paint is not excretion, violins are not pet organs, glass is no crushed stone, flowers are not earth. Rap does not want to leave the dirt behind. It lives off by being dirt.
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Post by Hec Scrivener on Mar 29, 2007 20:46:22 GMT -5
You see, if this were a philosophical disputation, I would call out our feline friend for speaking nonsense. But since aesthetics is entirely nonsense, I can't really do that.
New topic: Is it possible for one nonsensical statement to be more nonsensical than another?
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Post by Padre Romero on Mar 29, 2007 21:22:13 GMT -5
You see, if this were a philosophical disputation, I would call out our feline friend for speaking nonsense. But since aesthetics is entirely nonsense, I can't really do that. New topic: Is it possible for one nonsensical statement to be more nonsensical than another? That is actually a really good question. "Sensical" and "nonsensical" in this case could mean "logical or Not logical" or "Having meaning or not having meaning". Obviously, one statement cannot be "more logical" than another...Sense and nonsense are not degrees, like hot or cold, a statement either is sensable to the reader (I went for a walk with Rita) , or nonsensical to the reader (Colorless green ideas sleep furiously). But one statement could (arguably), have more meaning than another. Or, it could be more easily understandable than another...Most "garden Path" sentences are more confusing than their "normal" equivalants. As are most sentences with puns in them. so I guess then their pun-free partners would have "More sense" to them, seeing as how more people could make sense OUT of them.
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