Ed Harken
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Sept 11, 2007 14:42:05 GMT -5
Post by Ed Harken on Sept 11, 2007 14:42:05 GMT -5
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose! That reminds me of my favorite philosopher ever. The Stone age existentialist, Heraclitus. Maybe the first written account of someone being upset over the advent of HMOs. Also a worshiper of Fire (we have that in common). He refuted the "things remain the same" hypothesis till the bitter end. "You can never step in the same river twice" (Just like you can never go back in Super Mario Bros) "All things are in motion and nothing remains still."
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Sept 11, 2007 14:45:10 GMT -5
Post by Padre Romero on Sept 11, 2007 14:45:10 GMT -5
Ah yes, Heraclitus, true inventor of the flux capacitor. My personal favorit philosphper is Epictitus, who famously said something to the effect of: "If you hear someone speak ill about you, you must respond: 'clearly they are dim-witted, or they do not know me, else they could have come up with FAR worse things to say' Heraclitus and you are in a long line of fire-worshipping monists including pythagoras, most foraging societies, and that one freak who blew in here last april fools day and pretended to know who I am.
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Ed Harken
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Sept 11, 2007 14:55:52 GMT -5
Post by Ed Harken on Sept 11, 2007 14:55:52 GMT -5
Interesting pairing you bring up as Heraclitus often spoke ill of Pythagoras.
"Drunken bastard wandering the streets in a penis hat" If I remember that correctly.
As you point out we can see today that they actually had more in common than either wanted to admit. Maybe there was a woman at the root of it all.
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Sept 11, 2007 15:42:01 GMT -5
Post by Padre Romero on Sept 11, 2007 15:42:01 GMT -5
Interesting pairing you bring up as Heraclitus often spoke ill of Pythagoras. "Drunken bastard wandering the streets in a penis hat" If I remember that correctly. As you point out we can see today that they actually had more in common than either wanted to admit. Maybe there was a woman at the root of it all. I've never heard that quote before! very nice... I did know that he was at odds...but yes, very similar core philosophy: everything changes, you can't control it, suck it up.
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Sept 12, 2007 10:43:58 GMT -5
Post by Magatsu Taito on Sept 12, 2007 10:43:58 GMT -5
Sounds like they we're stoics in some degree then? I'm not sure if everything changes is stoic though...
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Sept 12, 2007 12:02:31 GMT -5
Post by Padre Romero on Sept 12, 2007 12:02:31 GMT -5
not necessarily, herclitus definitely isn't a stoic. Stocism doesn't care weather the world never changes, always changes, or creeps along sideways like a horseshoe crab. Stoicism says that whatever the world is, you have no power to change it unless the logos says you can. so the only thing to do is "Steel your sensibilities, so that life shall hurt you as little as possible."
Some of the more mystic-type stoics shared the concept of cyclic time with Heraclitus...they thought the world was like a fire the flickers on and off.
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